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	<title>Comments on: Wrongheaded: Microsoft&#8217;s Designs on Yahoo!</title>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.johnriccardi.com/blog/2008/02/05/wrongheaded-microsofts-designs-on-yahoo/comment-page-1/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 19:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMHO, it was failure to manage personnel growth that killed Yahoo. After the layoffs of 2000 or 2001, they had roughly 2,800 people. When I left in June 2005, they had 14,000-plus. 

Some of the staff came from acquisitions, but it&#039;s *extremely* difficult to manage that degree of growth. You need experienced adults with battle scars who can make decisions, insist on clear lines of authority, and balance between the participatory democracy of a startup and the hierarchical decisionmaking of a large company.

Yahoo had none of those. And as Helen notes, it made bizarre personnel decisions. My boss fired me (first time in my life) and left 3 days later to run the direct competition; you might think HR would have considered that an issue. Nope.

Another flaw, highlighted by the notorious &quot;peanut butter memo&quot;: Chronic under-resourcing. A mentor explained to me, &quot;When you&#039;ve got 40% annual profit growth from now through infinity baked into the stock price, of course there are never enough resources.&quot; 

It takes time, smart thinkers, and good coders to build products. Yet the one budgeting process I sat through tossed our built-from-the-ground-up revenue &amp; cost projections out the window for growth almost twice as high, with the dictum, &quot;Make it work.&quot;

Will Microsoft be able to fix any of this?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO, it was failure to manage personnel growth that killed Yahoo. After the layoffs of 2000 or 2001, they had roughly 2,800 people. When I left in June 2005, they had 14,000-plus. </p>
<p>Some of the staff came from acquisitions, but it&#8217;s *extremely* difficult to manage that degree of growth. You need experienced adults with battle scars who can make decisions, insist on clear lines of authority, and balance between the participatory democracy of a startup and the hierarchical decisionmaking of a large company.</p>
<p>Yahoo had none of those. And as Helen notes, it made bizarre personnel decisions. My boss fired me (first time in my life) and left 3 days later to run the direct competition; you might think HR would have considered that an issue. Nope.</p>
<p>Another flaw, highlighted by the notorious &#8220;peanut butter memo&#8221;: Chronic under-resourcing. A mentor explained to me, &#8220;When you&#8217;ve got 40% annual profit growth from now through infinity baked into the stock price, of course there are never enough resources.&#8221; </p>
<p>It takes time, smart thinkers, and good coders to build products. Yet the one budgeting process I sat through tossed our built-from-the-ground-up revenue &amp; cost projections out the window for growth almost twice as high, with the dictum, &#8220;Make it work.&#8221;</p>
<p>Will Microsoft be able to fix any of this?</p>
<p>Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!</p>
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		<title>By: Julius</title>
		<link>http://www.johnriccardi.com/blog/2008/02/05/wrongheaded-microsofts-designs-on-yahoo/comment-page-1/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>Julius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, interesting posting. I too worked in Yahoo for some years, at a fairly high middle manager level out of the European office in London (coming into the company as acquired). It&#039;s a weird gig they have: In ceratin departments I counted 12 levels from floor to Terry Semel. I kept spending my time in meetings.

I also know people working for Google, and the conclusion after many a beer is: At Yahoo it&#039;s incredibly difficult to push a project through (but if you succeed it will reach the end user). At Google it&#039;s fantastically easy to push a project forward and make the pilot (but you then have to get through Sergey and Larry to get in online, so maybe just 1 out of 500 projects will ever make it to the end user).

I don&#039;t know what is more frustrating... :-)

Anyway: My take on Yahoo: Split it up so that each product sits within an independent company with full responsibility (and bonuses) for earnings. Then keep a lean holding company (much as IAC?) to encourage and point to win-win cooperation deals between the companies.

I really cannot see them being run by MS....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, interesting posting. I too worked in Yahoo for some years, at a fairly high middle manager level out of the European office in London (coming into the company as acquired). It&#8217;s a weird gig they have: In ceratin departments I counted 12 levels from floor to Terry Semel. I kept spending my time in meetings.</p>
<p>I also know people working for Google, and the conclusion after many a beer is: At Yahoo it&#8217;s incredibly difficult to push a project through (but if you succeed it will reach the end user). At Google it&#8217;s fantastically easy to push a project forward and make the pilot (but you then have to get through Sergey and Larry to get in online, so maybe just 1 out of 500 projects will ever make it to the end user).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what is more frustrating&#8230; <img src='http://www.johnriccardi.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anyway: My take on Yahoo: Split it up so that each product sits within an independent company with full responsibility (and bonuses) for earnings. Then keep a lean holding company (much as IAC?) to encourage and point to win-win cooperation deals between the companies.</p>
<p>I really cannot see them being run by MS&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 05:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an outsider, I never got their quest for search which sucked from the start when compared to Google.  I remember when Yahoo was neck and neck competing with Google. How quickly that game ended.

But what was the canary in a coal mine for me, was their blatant disregard for talented, creative, productive people.  It seemed like some incredible executives were getting canned ...for bizarre reasons.

An environment of fear, lack of risk-taking as you so ably write, decision by committee and the easy discharge of great and loyal talent has diminished Yahoo. Ah, the big corporate dilemna.

Much better to focus on the interesting, new companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an outsider, I never got their quest for search which sucked from the start when compared to Google.  I remember when Yahoo was neck and neck competing with Google. How quickly that game ended.</p>
<p>But what was the canary in a coal mine for me, was their blatant disregard for talented, creative, productive people.  It seemed like some incredible executives were getting canned &#8230;for bizarre reasons.</p>
<p>An environment of fear, lack of risk-taking as you so ably write, decision by committee and the easy discharge of great and loyal talent has diminished Yahoo. Ah, the big corporate dilemna.</p>
<p>Much better to focus on the interesting, new companies.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you, John. The prospect of doubling the beauracracy around here by tying us to a money-losing division of an even larger corporation doesn&#039;t make sense. Keep up the blogging. I like the template BTW, very BusinessWeek.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you, John. The prospect of doubling the beauracracy around here by tying us to a money-losing division of an even larger corporation doesn&#8217;t make sense. Keep up the blogging. I like the template BTW, very BusinessWeek.</p>
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		<title>By: Hendra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hendra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;ll be interesting to see Mugro$oft replacing all Yahoo!&#039;s Linux/BSD boxes with Windows</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;ll be interesting to see Mugro$oft replacing all Yahoo!&#8217;s Linux/BSD boxes with Windows</p>
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